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Do You Believe in Mother God?

Mother LoveYesterday evening in Washington Square Park (or what’s left of it), just after getting off the phone with my mother, a man and a woman approached me and asked if I knew about God the Mother. At first, forgetting myself, I said I didn’t want to have that conversation. Thankfully, the man (who did all of the talking) insisted, and I remembered that there are few joys greater than discovering a new line of belief. So, at least until my friend came to roll her eyes at me and truck me off to dinner, I sat and talked Bible with the Mother-lovers.

The guy, who later said his name was Arturo, got out his Bible, made sure that I believe the Bible in the first place (knowing a qualifying discourse on Higher Criticism could prove a hang-up, I assured that I did), and took me on a whirlwind tour of the passages he had underlined in red. First, of course, Genesis 1:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The bolded portions were Arturo’s favorites. These elusive first-person-plural passages in the Word, he insisted, prove that there are two images of God—when people were created in God’s image, they were made male and female. Therefore so must be God, male and female, Father and Mother. (I mentioned the ideas of Zechariah Sitchin, who believes that the plural-ish construction Elohim, the Hebrew word for God, refers to the race of aliens who seeded the human race. My interlocutor was not amused.)

Next we went to the end of the Book, to Revelation.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

So he asked me, Who can give eternal life? Can people give eternal life? No. Who gives eternal life? God. And here the bride is talking about the water of life. Well the bride is usually interpreted as the Church, I said. But a community of people can’t give eternal life he replied. Only God can, so the bride must refer to God. Jerusalem as well, one way or another.

There were more Bible passages sandwiched between those. A pretty nice piece of exegesis, if you ask me. Someone should hold an annual contest for the most creative, pretty consistent, and wholly original reading one can get out of the Bible. There’d be billions of entries.

Over the course of my lesson, I kept asking what the consequences of this belief were. Does the Mother God change the way one acts? Toward women, perhaps? He all but said no. This is justification by faith alone, apparently, and not works. To these questions he started speaking of the second coming, even suggesting that Christ may have already arrived on earth. Like most prophetic talk, I couldn’t follow what he was getting at.

As Arturo led me through, questions came in a hurry, with no time to consider a reply. Like a Jehovah’s Witness study service, there is only one answer to every question, and it is what’s written in the book in front of you. No opportunity to think—not that I have such great hope for what thinking can accomplish. Sometimes there are better things than thinking. It is a striking performance, that’s all.

When I mentioned that I write about religion, which I often do to get reactions, he said, as do many Biblical literalists, This is not religion, this is truth.

When my friend came and I had to go, Arturo invited me to a Bible study at their “Elohim Academy.” I asked if they had any pamphlets (I keep a collection of those). No. A website? It’s under construction. I got the sense he didn’t want me trolling after them on the web. He gave me his email address and I shook his hand. The Asian woman with him, who said not a word, left me hanging.

Of course, this morning, I jumped out of bed and onto Google. Here’s what I’ve learned, in interesting-fun-fact form:

  • The World Mission Society Church of God was founded 1964 in Korea.
  • The founder, Ahn Sang-Hong, was believed to be Christ’s second coming, but he died in 1985 and was succeeded by Zang Gil-Jah, “the heavenly Mother.”
  • Ahn sang-hong was previously a Seventh-Day Adventist, and his new church retains Adventist beliefs about the Saturday Sabbath and not celebrating Christmas.
  • When they say “Holy Land,” what they mean is the Republic of Korea.
  • Not surprisingly, edgy Christians call the World Mission Society Church of God a “cult.” (I insist on the less judgmental formula “new religious movement.”)
  • The church received an award from the Korean government.

Anyhow, there is so much more to learn, as always.

Over the years I’ve heard a lot of impassioned feminist arguments against the maleness of the Christian God. Even at the most permissive orthodox formulation, only the Holy Spirit gets to be female, and she is only 1/3 and the least anthropomorphic part of the Godhead (a dove, for goodness sake). Here is an opportunity to change that: a biblically-certified Mother God, no Erich Neumann necessary.

It is fascinating that this exegetical move comes to us from Korea. The West (by which I also mean the Near East), after tiring itself out in the Trinitarian debates of the fourth century, seems to have closed the door on any more dividing up God. But first-generation-Christian Koreans may see things more liberally. Maybe, after stretching to comprehend for the first time one God in three persons, one of whom has two natures, adding on an extra female image doesn’t seem like such a stretch. The West solved the “problem” of femininity in the forth century by proclaiming the theotokos—Mary, the Mother of God. But Koreans, evangelized mainly by Protestants weary of the divinization of Mary, might have had to fend for themselves a bit more creatively.

(Exception: the Shakers, in eighteenth- and nineteenth-century England and America, believed that their leader Ann Lee was the female manifestation of Christ. What I don’t know is whether they used any of the biblical explanations that the World Mission Society employs.)

Arturo, one way another, was positively thrilled about the Mother God; there is no doubt about that. If anybody in the New York area would like to learn more, I’m sure he wouldn’t mind you emailing him. I just might.

158 comments on “Do You Believe in Mother God?

  1. By the way people.. There are two main churches called Church of GOD.. They are very different.

    The church of God that this article is talking about.. only requires Saturday service. You might be talking about the other church of god which.. idk what they believe in but Church of God that believes in God the Mother encourages being with family.

  2. World Mission Society, Church of God is the only church that keeps Passover, which Jesus Christ gave as a new covenant…Matthew 26:17~28, John 6:53, Luke 22:7~20, and Mark 14:12~24, and the Spirit and the bride give us now. Spirit is Christ Ahnsahnghong and bride is New Jerusalem Mother. Without properly being taught and learning this in the World MIssion Society,Church of God, you will not understand and you will not know the TRUTH. My advice, being a member of this church, is to go with my brothers and sisters to learn the truth. Then make your own decision. I studied for 3 months before I got baptized with the Holy Spirit and water per Jesus in John 3:3~8.
    Matthew 28:18~20…Jesus told the disciples to preach the good news to all creation and teach them everything He commanded them…including Passover and Sabbath day…Saturday’s.
    Mark 16:15~16…Jesus again tells the disciples to go preach to everyone, those who believe the good news will be saved. Those who don’t will be condemned.

    WARNING: THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH. BELIEVE OR NOT.
    YOUR CHOICE.
    I PRAY TO GOD YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE…the Spirit and the bride…Revelation 22:17…who give us the water of life, now…is REAL.

    I believe this to be true.

    Please, go to check it out for yourselves without rushing to judgement, because only God can judge.

    Mark, brother
    World MissionSociety, Church of God

  3. The US referred to in Genesis between God and Jesus. God own direct creation. When God say “Let Us…”. He was talking to Jesus. This aspect is impossible for CoG to process because they have been brainwashed that Jesus Is God.

  4. Hello Everyone! It was really interesting for me to read these comments. Actually I was approached by Chruch of God Members as well.
    For years I had been atheist because although I was raised Christian all I saw was hypocrisy. One can just pick up a history book (or the Bible : ) to see that what the majority of Christians do is not in the least bit biblical. Christmas of course has nothing to do with Christ. Sunday, a day to worship the sun god; Mary Idolatry, a pattern from mother-son worship in the Babylonian empire and something seen throughout Egyptian history; and so much more! Furthermore, no one could prove to me why they thought Jesus was Christ, or why they thought the Bible was true, they would just say “have faith!” Even through the Bible one can see that having faith through God’s eyes requires action. (James 2:14-26)

    Anyways, I finally went to study with Church of God members after hearing about God the Mother, because if you read the context of Rev 22 one can see that it is indeed God that says He will give the Water of Life. (Of course “Jesus” is speaking here, but we know that by this point Jesus Christ has already ascended, and that the prophecies in the Apostolic Age are not concerning Jesus Christ in the age of the son, but concerning second-coming Christ as the Spirit (Rev 3:12)

    So who gives the water of life in Rev 22:17? God says He will (Rev 21:6), and we have the Spirit and the Bride. We already know the bride is the wife of the Lamb –which again, Lamb (or Christ) in this context would be 2nd coming– So when they showed me this I was really interested. Even in Galatians where it refers to Jerusalem being our Mother, if we go back to the first account of this story (Genesis 15:2-4; 17:15) we can see that Abraham’s child was only a child of promise after the true mother was along with him. (Which is why Isaac, was chosen by God). It just fits so perfectly!

    So I went and studied, and I asked them why do you believe this is fact? Why do you believe Jesus is God, etc. and they showed me!! It’s just amazing!! Seriously I mean … everyone always said they had the truth, but they could never back it up, well the Bible is truly a book of prophecy! And there ARE more versus about Mother, she really is testified throughout the whole Bible! Ahnsahnghong is TRUE God there are so many prophecies that testify Him and everything fits together perfectly. It’s Amazing.

    Now yes my life is different and I thank Father and Mother everyday. Please just understand it’s not that the Truth breaks up families, because our Heavenly Mother NEVER says not to be with our families!! But personally I follow the laws of God and I always observe the Sabbath in the new way as Christ did and the Feasts of God as well. Example: It might be a party or a soccer game I am invited to, but take a moment to read about the Passover which only comes once a year (John 6:53; Matt 26:17) This is SO important, and there is so, so much blessing! From reading this you can see how horrible to would be to miss the Passover for anything.

    Someone mentioned that their girlfriend said that he was not in line with the way to salvation. Now as someone on the other end, please understand: my boyfriend who I loved so much would say things like: don’t keep the Sabbath let’s go away to the beach, or let’s go to the bar, or don’t wake up for the Feast of God, sleep in, and of course lots of sex. Yes we had planned our marriage and kids, but with this person always pushing me to go against the word of God, how could I stay? Understand? If it was fake, who cares? But because it is Truth, then it is not something that can be brushed away. Elohim God is real. I have only gained good from knowing the truth. Please understand that when we beg our families and loved ones to just please come and see, it’s because once you go and see for yourself then you’ll understand.

    I pray that those reading this will go to study and see for yourselves, and that those already in the truth will be continued to be blessed by our glorious Father and Mother.

    God Bless You SO MUCH!!! <3 <3 <3

  5. I have been in this church for quite a few years, but this was then when i was not mature enough to reason things or test the spirit. The church have many factors that are enough to evident that they are surely not true church. They started with Jesus and then had their own Christ, in fact i should not blame Ahansanghong for this coz i think he was just a scholar whom they now portray as Christ or holy spirit.
    They cannot answer a simple question in a way that may seem sensible. WHY ARE WE ON EARTH? They say we are bearing punishment for our sin against God in heaven. (They say under influence of satan we tried to kill so called Mother Father.). This does not make sense as, if he wanted to punish us why would he send us to this earth where we are enjoying our life. But the truth about the existence of our entity is something else which most people dont know.

  6. I began searching for contact details of the Elohim Academy in Perth, Australia after I encountered two of its members door-knocking in our area. The encounter was very much like most of those described in this blog. Two Asian women, unthreatening but perhaps over-excited and giggly, asked me to fill in a survey to help them with an assignment for their Bible school, “Just one page” and I agreed. I believe the Bible and am open to considering alternate interpretations of it, provided I can be satisfied that there is logical reasoning and that passages are quoted in context.

    I have to say that I didn’t wait to hear the whole presentation. While I was happy to fill in the survey (which ulitised all of the same quotes), they tried to make it a discussion on each question. When I had completed the survey, they began talking over each other to explain some laminated diagrams and I ended the encounter.

    I wanted to give some feedback, however was unable to find a website or email address (as appears to be the experience of others who have posted on this blog).

    Basically I think there will be limited success in talking to people on any theological issue unless you:
    1. Let the person know up front what your aim is
    2. Let the person know what is expected of them in the encounter (eg. time required)
    3. Give the person a chance to agree to participate before proceeding further into the discussion

    For example, I was happy to complete the survey, but it lost structure when they started discussing each point. They could have waited until I finished & then asked if I would discuss some of my answers (& accepted it should I have declined to do so, perhaps offering further information/reading material). The subject may have been interesting to discuss, but they lost me very quickly with their approach.

    So it seems they will never get my feedback & will continue to lose opportunities for intelligent discussions.

  7. could someone please provide some insight into the church needing a certain amout of members by the beginning or end of 2012. and who came of with this date? Is it suppose to be the end of the world. is this church approaching so many people in an agressive manner because they are trying to reach this NUMBER???

  8. tye,
    They are not looking for a specific number of members by 2012. Ahnsahnghong predicted the end of the world would be in 1988 and 2012. You can see proof on this Korean website: http://blog.daum.net/cho4126902/8771611
    They approach people in an aggressive manner because they are working hard to steal people’s money. If you want to see the connection that the WMSCOG has to Big Shine Worldwide, Inc, go to http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,79728,102080#msg-102080
    There you will also find info on how the WMSCOG lied to the IRS on their applications for tax exempt status!!!
    The members of this horrible organization need to wake up!!! Stop giving them your hard earned money, hours of slave labor, and go back to the families that love you!
    For more info go to http://www.examiningthewmscog.com
    and http://www.encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com

  9. Hi,there its this morning this whole mother of God thing came to my mind and i jumped of bed to do a research…a day or 2 ago i came across this people, 2 young men, one was then preaching to someone, and the other one stopped me…i was in hurry but i thought of getting some lil time to listen to him…and as you have described in your passage, thats exactly what they told me…
    and all the story was about God the mother, which i find it very difficult to understand… because when the Bible says about the new Jerusalem its talking about the kingdom of God which will be like a bride to his husband..which to me means how happy it will be like for human to see the Kingdom of God..
    Marc from Accra.

  10. can anyone share some light on this group of people who seem to have a “certain number of people to recruit’ for 2012

  11. 2011…updated July 15, 2011…

    from San Francisco, CA…

    to Shanghai, China…

    around the world…

    the good news is preached to the whole world…

    Repent! The kingdom of heaven is near…yes from the east…
    the ends of the earth…sing from Mount Zion to the throne…
    from the ends of the earth fllying like doves to Mother…according
    to scriptures…the prophecy is being fulfilled today…
    Wake up people…seek the truth while it is at hand…

    God bless you all…not curse you all…

    ok…Ahnsahnghong and New Jerusalem Mother are
    the Spirit and the bride…Revelation 22:17…giving us the
    spiritual water of life….thirsty and hungry souls….come!!!come!!!come!!!
    Receive freely from them…only them…ok…

    Mark 16:15
    Matthew 28:18

    Mark, brother
    World Mission Society, Church of God

  12. well, the doctrine of god the mother and the christ second coming in the presence of sang-song is not biblical and own interpretation of the bible… ladies and gentlemen lets examine before we accept… lets examine in the book of revelation 22:17 if in that verse tells that the bride was the water of life giver… in that verse u can’t read that the bride give a water of life

    “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”

    u can’t read it that the bride give the water of life, the bride invites only to the people who thirst…

    for example my mother have a money and she wants to give it to the people, and then she told me to help her to call all the people who hear and take the money…

    and WE say, come. and let him that heareth say, come and let him that have no money come. and whosoever will, let him take the money.

    that’s all!!!

    the spirit and bride in 22:17 only invites people who are thirst…

  13. Sad…you must not be thirsty, my friend, my lost brother,
    or else you would come to understand who are the Spirit and the bride…
    I know that Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Spirit and Zahng Gil Ja is the bride, because I am a witness to what I have seen and heard just like the bible says…Revelation…taken by the Spirit to a mountain….Mount Zion…Holy City, new Jerusalem, where God dwells, because God is with man, now…2011…

    God bless all those who see and did not see…to those who
    hear and have heard…to those who follow the Spirit and the bride, I say…”God be with you.”

    All others…pray to God for help.

    God bless you.

    Mark, brother

  14. Where can you read the term MOTHER GOD? Is it a modern day invention?Is the bible your reference?

  15. huh? who told you that ahnsahnghong is the spirit?he is only a human like us. granting for the sake of argument that he is the spirit but according to GALATIANs 1:7-8

    7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    even apostle or angel from heaven preach any gospel than what the Lord Jesus preach let him be accursed.
    ahnsahnhong teach any gospel than the gospel of the apostles… apostles, even Jesus Christ did not teach about god the mother… you can’t read in the bible about god the mother…
    you witnessed? you heard? what you had heard and witnessing?

    huh? there are human being like us…

    Jeremiah 17:5
    Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

    let him be cursed…
    don’t be decieved…

    1john 4:1
    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    try the spirit if they are of God…
    how? how we can try the spirit?
    ask any question, because the true prophets/messenger of God is the steward of the mysteries of God… as what 1Corinthians states;
    “Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.”
    if he is the steward of the mysteries of God he should know all the question in line in the bible…
    right?
    so try them…
    ask them in this question…

    1.) WHERE IS GOD BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH?
    2.) WHO ARE THESE TWELVE BEING MENTIONED IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:5?

    ask them… try them…
    because bible says

    Haggai 2:11
    Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying,

    ask your pastors now

    and according to 1peter 3:15
    But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    if your pastor not ready to answer you instantly, he is not from God… because in

    Luke 21:15 says
    For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

    God will give you a mouth and wisdom… if your pastor can’t answer that question he is not from God… because God will give you a mouth and wisdom to answer the question instantly…

    God’s people shall never be put to a shame…

    God bless…
    try to ask them… test them…

  16. What is your religion king? It seems that you know a lot from the BIBLE.and it seems or shall i say you are talking with reference and proof,that is more believing and the simple line of thinking of man can easily grasp.Im not saying that the host of this site is wrong but i just want to point out my opinion that as what ive read also in the bible that we should not preach or believe more than or less than what is written in the bible.god the mother is not a mystery to me because theres nothing to decipher,theres nothing to decode.Now,if you really are the man of God, you can answer the questions and im claiming with firm conviction that the bible answers a lot.

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  18. Want to learn more, please go to your nearest church, World Mission Society, Church of God, the Spirit and the bride, Christ the 2nd Coming, Heavenly Father, Heavenly Mother, just like the ancient China, 6000 years ago, Adam and Eve, a heavenly mandate has been put down since ancient times…Heavenly kingdom is here now on this earth according to prophecy…

    Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride

    Revelation 22:2, 9 holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven, and the dwelling of God will be with man on this earth…now…2011…it is here…and inside the New Jerusalem Temple is the bride of the Spirit, the wife of the Lamb….

    Revelation 19:7 wedding supper of the Lamb
    (Passover is the wedding supper = Last Supper of Jesus Christ)
    Matthew 26:17~ Passover with bread and wine at the appointed time every year according to God…Exodus 12…Leviticus 23…old covenant was changed to the new covenant of Jesus Christ…but the new covenant feasts are still kept according to the teachings of Jesus Christ…it is through Jesus Christ that we come to know who are the Spirit and the bride in Revelation…Jesus told John what would happen in the future…and the future is now…ok…understand…???

    thus according to Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:27~~~ The Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our MOTHER.

    Heaven Father and Heavenly Mother are here like Jesus was 2000 years ago to give us life, love, freedom, (heavenly kingdom spiritual things) and set us free from bondage in sin because the whole world is controlled by Satan, the devil.

    Come!!! Come!!! The Spirit and the bride say Come! Receive the water of life, freely…not a thirst for physical water, but a thirst for hearing the words of the Lord, ..spiritual water…Amos 8:11~13.

    Come to our church like Jehovah says, like Jesus says, like the Spirit and the Bride, say…Come! (Father, Son , & Holy Spirit) and his bride…
    with fine linen…righteous acts of the saints…

    Mark, Brother
    Mark, the gospel man
    Mark, the water carrier
    Mark, the man of God
    Mark, the house and room where Passover was kept by Jesus Christ, himself, in the flesh, on this earth. etc…

    All other churches and religions are now void and nil.

    We have the true God, Elohim = Father and Mother
    Heavenly Father is Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother is Zahng Gil Ja.

    E = M C2

    Elohim = Mother and Christ, the 2nd Coming.

    Trinity…
    Passover…
    Sabbath day is Saturday, the 7th day of the week…
    Feast of Tabernacles…
    New Jerusalem Mother
    Father came from the East…

    come and study these and many more from our Church of God, World Mission Society.

    The early church was called church of God. Acts 20:28
    Keep watch over yourselves and over the flock which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

    Jesus shed precious blood for our sins and for eternal life…

    Passover is the way to keep the new covenant of Jesus Christ, now, 2000 years later, we have the appearance of the Spirit and the bride, according to Jesus, and they give us the very same Passover with bread and wine.

    No other church or religion in the world has this, except the World Mission Society, Church of God.

    http://www.watv.org

    study more and you will find out more of the TRUTH…

    not what some people on this blog site are saying about it….

    they lack knowledge and wisdom from God.

    Peace and love from the Spirit and the bride to
    your household and your family….

    hurry…don’t delay…the last day is coming…

    Mark

  19. mark, huh? give me your proof mark… don’t make a story
    Mark 7:13
    “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”

    ladies and gentlemen lets examine the book of REVELATION 22:17
    what the verse says?
    “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”

    it tells about the Spirit and the Bride… but you can’t read that the bride is God… and then you tell me she give a water of life to those who are thirsty? no! she is not the giver of water of life… she only invite to those people who are thirsty…

    revelation 19:7 oh what a conclusion!!! this is not the last supper of Christ… you can’t read in this verse that there is a supper happen.. the event here is the incoming wedding of the bride and the lamb…

    revelation 19:7
    “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.”

    that’s what the bible says… you can’t read the word supper their…

    “Heavenly Father is Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother is Zahng Gil Ja”
    where you find in the bible that these 2 names is the hevenly mother and father? give me the verse in bible, if you considered the bible as the Christian faith basis…

  20. we’re not like you because in biblical truth… in biblical wisdom… your doctrine are not biblical… illogical… senseless… not sensible…

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  22. mark if you are the man of god as what you’ve said…
    lets test it if you are the true man of God and why the Lord Jesus want us not to believe every spirit and try them? as what our Lord Jesus said in
    1 john 4:1
    “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

    that’s the reason we’re not believe every spirit because many false prophets gone out into the world and that is true… there so many religion now, claiming that they are the true christian… how can we identify if they are the true christian?
    the big churches? the numbers of member? the beautiful songs?
    nope!!!
    according to
    John 7:17
    “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself”

    we identify the true Christian /man of God through his doctrine/teaching…
    now if you are the true MAN OF GOD i will try your spirit if you are from God because i believe that the man of God is the steward of the mysteries of God as what

    1corinthian 4:1 says
    “Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.”

    so the minister of Christ/Man of God is the stewards of the mysteries of God. meaning to say that all the mysteries of God is not secret to him because he is being entrusted by God. so he can answer all the questions about mysteries of God…

    MARK answer this two question…

    1.) WHERE IS GOD BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH?
    2.) WHO ARE THESE TWELVE BEING MENTIONED IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:5?

    if you can’t answer this you are a false prophet and your church is came from satan…

  23. I have been trying to understand the true meaning of the words on the bible for a while and because of that I have been in many churches. Now, I realized after so many years of searching that many of the churches live on man made customs and don’t really follow what the bible says. The Church of God follows everything the bible teaches and that is the reason why the are so passionate about it. They know that salvation is not garanteed, that God will only have mercy on whom He wants to have mercy. So, they try really hard to keep up with all the laws and commands and covenants from the old and new testament. God is the only one that can open our eyes and show as the way. Many will be called but a few chosen. Give thanks to God that he gave you an opportunity to hear about him, In the end that might be what saves you or condemns you. God Bless You.

  24. mark i’m waiting for your answer…

    anybody here… ask your pastor try them if they are from God…

    as what

    1 john 4:1
    “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

    1.) WHERE IS GOD BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH?
    2.) WHO ARE THESE TWELVE BEING MENTIONED IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:5?

  25. Mark Brother,

    We know the answer for their question. But they will not accept it, coz they have their own interpretation for that. If they can’t accept Passover, Sabbath and Mother. Its no use to continue this conversation particularly with King… If they are really from God, they will understand you.

    (John 10:25-27)
    New International Version (NIV)
    25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

    I know their church.. They are not from God.. They’re explanation and interpretations are just from human thought.. “ Eli Soriano”
    Remember what God taught us through the following verses:
    Revelation 5
    The Scroll and the Lamb
    1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

    ::: No one can open the seal of the scroll.. not even their Pastor.. not unless, if they will claim that Eli Soriano is the Root of David.. but that’s another thing to discuss.. There is no end for this conversation because they are not willing to accept our explanation, they will just bent the truth as God had prophesied..

    We know who the Root of David is and we should follow what He had taught us because as the above verses mentioned (3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.. . the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

    They are using bible to test us, of course, but it is no wonder because even Satan use Bible verses when Jesus was tested in the wilderness as it is written in Matthew 4.

    Elohim bless you.

  26. I find it interesting that those who spoke to you used the EXACT verses in the EXACT manner as those who I have spoken with. Quite honestly, I felt I was being handed a crafted sales pitch. While it appeared that the man whom I spoke with was well versed in Biblical passages, it seems a bit scripted. Seeing that this is a trained sermon, I am far less impressed. While I viewed it with an open mind, I felt evil eminating from the second man who stood silent. One answer they could not give me was why, if Jesus was the path to salvation, as prophesized, were their prophesies so cryptic? They cited parable, and hidden knowledge buried by Satan and misinformed clergy. They stated that Satan spoke to confuse and that scripture laid it out but, it has been manipulated to cause us to deny the real truth. When I quoted Jesus “You cannot come to the Father except through me”, I was told that the mother was referenced in a flurry of highlighted passages. So, I posed the question; If you are finding your truth through the same scripture you say is being manipulated, is it possible that your truth is manipulated? “It’s right here, you can see it. You believe the word of God don’t you?” When asked if they had a list of passages supporting their point, I was told they preach in person and was asked for my phone number. NO! They also hinted that the second-coming was here and that the “Father and Mother” are among us but, would not answer as to who they were. They also never mentioned that point again. I told them that my faith and truth come from the Lord and if I ask him through faith he will guide me. They persisted that Satan knows the hearts of men and manipulates the truth. On and on. While it is certainly a good point of study, I cannot see that the Lord would “hide” his truths (they had scriptural references to parables to refute this too).

    A following point, I would like to make. Regarding this discussion. While the Elohim students seem well educated in scripture (at least those that serve their point) and have a well developed and trained delivery system, I see a basic lack of intelligence among them. Be insulted, I don’t care. If you haven’t spoken to one in person, read the posts of those who follow this movement above. Their fundamental lack of spelling and grammar skills speaks of lesser education. Also, the lack of effective articulation in writing is evident. While it takes discipline, and study to present the pitch they’re throwing out, A used car salesman can tell you everything you want to know about a vehicle. That does not imply that a salesman has a greater wordly knowledge. Anyone of reasonable inteligence can be taught to recite scripture, sales information, Ikea assembly instructions, ETC… And furthermore, I can slant scripture to justify such things as racism, violence, retribution, poligamy, chauvanism (all of these things have been done in “God’s name”). Obviously, these things distort God’s word to the “benefit” of the adherents worldy objective. But, those who know God, know love, faith, family, and prayer. The scripture adds too our knowledge of God but, love is the whole of the law. Let us not be confused by all of the “new” ways to salvation out there. If there is a hidden truth, it will be revealed by the Lord alone. One has only to know him.

  27. @grace sorry grace but we don’t have any interpretation by ourselves. we have an answer of those questions in the bible… and i will read to you the answer through the bible. because we believed that the bible can interpret itself and we believed that the bible are complete.
    how can we accept that? its not for us to follow that teaching it is the law of moses which is the law of work… as Christian we follow the law of Christ which is the law of faith.

    Romans 3:27
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    the law of moses can’t be saved in christian era…

    Acts 13:39

    And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

    we could not be justified by the of moses…
    why the christian follow the law of moses, bible says that we could not be justified by the law of work/moses.

    ows… the explanation and interpretation came from human thoughts? proved it to me grace… bro. eli not interpret the bible or explain it. he only read it because we believed that the bible can interpret and explain itself.

    bro. eli is not the root of david, Jesus Christ is the root of david (not Christ Ahnsahnghong)

    i qoute your statement
    “There is no end for this conversation because they are not willing to accept OUR EXPLANATION, they will just bent the truth as God had prophesied..”

    you have your own explanation? i believed that who have their own interpretation/explanation can bent the truth of God.

  28. @grace or you can’t answer my question to you, or the reason of delaying answer my question because you didnt know the answer.

  29. @king Hi king, pls tell me the answer as it seems that they don’t know.. I really would love to know.

    Thanks

  30. King is misleading like satan does…God’s truth will win in the end and then we can see who is wrong and who is right.

    God bless you King, but you are flat out wrong about Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father because you have never been to a Church of God, World Mission society, nor have you seen Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father.

    Scriptures are clear…Rev 22:17, Rev 21:2, 9, 19:7, Galatians 4:26. The Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our mother. New Jerusalem Mother from heaven down to this earth, dwelling with men and women on this earth now.

    Peace and love peoples. Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is near…not king’s heaven, but the kingdom of heaven…Mother and Father’s/The Spirit and the bride’s kingdom.

    God bless you all again…preach the good news and save souls brothers and sisters and love one another…take care of one another…be good and do good deeds like Mother has taught us…Passover…Sabbath day…talk to friends/family, coworkers, etc…people on the street…homeless etc…they need God and water of life…freely.

  31. @sam
    just listen to bro. eli soriano…
    www. youtube .com/broelisoriano
    www. esoriano .wordpress.com
    www. livestream .com/elisoriano
    www. youtube .com/theoldpathmedia
    www. mcgi .org
    www. youtube .com/theoldpath
    www. youtube .com/truthcaster

  32. these people that believe in mother god are very forceful. they talk about free will yet they pretty much pushed me into going to their church. I had alot of questions for them but they kept saying “you need to learn the way that we are teaching you so that you can get a better understanding” but mind you, I was asking questions during the lessons only when things did not seem right to me. During my 2nd visit to their church, I asked them to further explain about mother god and father to which I was told that If I agreed to be baptised on the following day that they would share more info. Against my better judgement I agreed and was baptised the next day. The ceremony itself was ok but it did feel quite weird when they insisted on taking my picture even though I was still dripping wet and said that I did not want a photo taken. again they re EXTREMELY PUSHY. After taking the picture they pulled out a huge book and recorded my name and address. After that I was so put out that I chose to no longer go. But they called my home nonstop for 2 weeks hounding me to come back to church. I then left town to visit some friends but while I was away I kept getting calls from my family back home sayig that these people kept calling to see if I was back even though I’d said that I was NOT INTERESTED. They can be relentless. So much for free will. What creeped me out more was that they had my home address and my picture so once I returned to town I moved…just too creepy especially with all of that talk of recruiting a certain number by 2012. One other thing they constantly talk about this world being an evil place and that we should be preparing for heaven. whenever I would say that the world can be a beautiful place and that its the people within the world they would basically rol their eyes and say “This world is not a place to be anymore, Its too evil and we need to prepare to leave it”

  33. God Bless Youu Brothers && Sisters . I am a recently joined member of the Church of God. I have been thru Protestant, Muslim && Catholic teachings. I have questioned many pastors, priests and reverends. None of the anwsers to any of my questions made any sense, Now when I first met two members of the Church of God on my college campus & they studied with me, all there sayings , teachings && verses made the MOST sense out of any religion I have ever been to. The most. && that’s alot coming from skeptical me. When I first partook in Passover , that night I slept the most peaceful sleep of my life. I didnt toss && turn, I didnt have horrible nightmares , or keep waking up in the middle of the night. I was genuinely happy && in love with life for the first time. The Church of God , its teachings && Passover are the best thing to ever happen to me. My life has been very peaceful && wonderful ever since. You can condemn it all you want, you can call us crazy, you can call it a cult [ as my sister kindly has no trouble calling it ] . But at the end of the day , all of Father && Mother’s <3 chosen ones will inherit the kingdom. In the end all his sheep will come back where they belong. So if you are a true brother && sister, you will join our "cult". Just know that Father && Mother only gives eternal life<3 to those who ask for it. I pray for youu && your families, that youu may find truth in your hearts. Dios de bendigas or Gpd Bless Youu <3 🙂

  34. God bless you sister. Amen! Well said. Father and Mother are the center of all things and we should remember that we love them and we thank them for their tireless love and grace for the children of God. Ahnsahnghong and New Jerusalem Mother, we love you!!! All praise honor and glory to them forever and ever. Yes, thanks for Passover, especially with disasters taking place the world over. God be with you all brothers and sisters. Come! To the Spirit and the bride! Come! Receive their water of life, quickly, without delay…

  35. There are a lot of contradictions in the World Mission Society Church of God.
    *They contradict the Bible.
    *They contradict themselves.
    *They contradict historical facts.
    For more information, please visit:
    http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
    and
    http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/
    There is also a forum, where it is much easier to carry on a conversation than in a string of comments here.
    http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/

    If you are a wmscog member, you have the right to believe what you want, but it’s only right that you are fully informed about it, including the problems.
    If you are struggling with a loved one in the wmscog (like I am), you can find support and encouragement from the above websites.

  36. I just want to know.According to the wmcg, is there a difference between jerusalem mother and mother god or is it the same person? I found a gal at college today who approached me in the exact manner mentioned above. What i’d say is that this is not Christianity..it is something else that is yet to be unvailed to those that seek the true God.
    I must say many of you guys saying u went there and got converted, its normal to feel overwhelmed by some dude quoting verse after verse (even out of context), but its not a good enough excuse. If you say you changed because everything they said was in the Bible, then you need to re evaluate because there are so many doctrines that will quote the bible and we cant say they are all true. Remember the Lord’s words about divisions.

  37. church website…www.watv.org

    World Mission Society, Church of God

    The Spirit and the bride say “Come!” And let the one who hears say “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty, come, and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life..”

    The Spirit, Holy Spirit, 2nd Coming Christ, and his bride, the wife of the Lamb, the Heavenly New Jerusalem Mother, are asking you to come to them to receive the water of life.

    You have a choice. Come. or not come. God knows who will come.

    God bless you.

  38. yes i can Believe she is our mother God ……………………

    really tnx so much for share……
    im always with Our Mother God ………..

  39. God bless you because you see who is God, and you hear God
    calling you to “Come!”…receive water of life Amos 8:11~ the water you search for is not physical water, but the very words of God, spiritual water…
    Heavenly Mother gives us this precious water on Sabbath Day, Saturday, 10am/2:30pm/7:30pm worship times and Tuesdays, 3rd day worship…7:30pm @ World Mission Society, Church of God..

  40. www. mcgi. org
    www. esoriano .wordpress .com
    www. youtube .com/theoldpath
    www. youtube. .com/theoldpathtv
    www. youtube. com/truthcaster
    www. youtube .com/broelisoriano
    www. whoisbroeli .com

  41. God cannot be just a full on male thers got too be a female side and if der was no female God or angels then women who go to heaven are goin to be the first females in heaven. besides most of nnature consist of male and female and in the bible the creation proves God’s devine nature (Romans 1:19-20). and for those out there hu do not believe the concept of God look up (colossians 2:8)

  42. Thanks! I just had an eerily similar experience, down to the “underlined in red” (I made note that they must have used an architect’s ruler to draw such a strait line.)

  43. GOD BLESS YOU GOD THE MOTHER IS THE TRUTH. FATHER SPEAKS IN PARABLES. SEEK.THE TRUTH. WE ARE IN THE AGE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT FATHER HAS A NEW NAME we shud call upon his new name revelations 2:17 & revalations 3:11-13. We love you FATHER AND MOTHER. BLESSINGS FROM THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AT WICHITA, KANSAS ZION

  44. Thomas makes a good point about writing quality connected with competent thought. It is as though wisdom takes her abilities and clear mind / writing away from fools. I was approached several times by these Church of God people, and both times there was one who talked, and one who stood silent, but also appeared unable to speak intelligently. Both times I felt an evil vibe, like dirty souls of some kind, but feelings not being perfectly accurate I like to keep an open mind and listen to new information, even if I decide against it later. The same as everyone described, they love highlighters, but the second time was this Asian girl who gave her teaching in such a manner, that while I wanted to hear the rest of the story I said to myself, “I am against ignorance for pride, but in this case I think I’ll be ignorant!” I did not like the way she treated me, as though asking me a question, then humiliating me like an errant child that a parent must patiently listen to before correcting. I had to go, and wanted to hear the rest of their fairly interesting point they were leading to, but my nuts were sore and I decided not call them back for more.
    I recently read their creed, it being instantly ridiculous as saying this Korean guy and wife are God, since when God shows up he’s able to prove it and does, or who else made the blind to see? This therefore is clearly what Jesus warned about, saying there would be those claiming to be him, but go not out after them. This is mute as anyone from heaven with the truth in them will feel their spiritual dirtiness and hear their lack of common sense, so they will of their own accord walk away, but these Church of God severe idiots will incur a full bodied, lathered, frothing fill of wrath for these vain and subversive blasphemies. Meanwhile I say answer them with, “Be away from me, you cursed dirty dogs!”
    Think that if we do have a mother in heaven how angry God would be that such persons are using the scripture to sully her. There is clearly a question worth asking, if we have a father in heaven is there not a mother also, but surely if your heart is true and you seek diligently, God will bring you into all knowledge required of the kingdom. Let us say there is a female manifestation of God, she will be God, and be able to prove it beyond controversy, so when she comes she herself should explain all things. And I would imagine she and her friends will have a good vibe, and clear speech, which honors and delights the sons of men. If not, then we will surely find that out as well, but in my opinion the necessities for now are believing Jesus’ blood paid for our sin, and obeying his father’s commandments, which he said clearly, – Matthew 5:18 “For verily I (Jesus) say unto you, Until heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, until all be fulfilled.” And nowhere does it read the law was changed from the day it was given to Moses until now, despite what hell-bound disobedient rebellious dogs say Paul’s writing teaches no law applies to them, that they may continue as iniquitous friends of the world, and approved of men with seminary certifications.

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